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FridemarPache

= Impressum =

Dr. Fridemar Pache
Internet Author
Feldgartenweg 14
D-91639 Wolframs-Eschenbach
Germany
Tel.: 09875-9550

= Disclaimer =

Compliant with German law and International laws: 
Fridemar Pache distances himself from illegal activities and
such acts that don't increase compatibility within himself,  
between people, races, nations, natural and cultural environment and entities beyond. 
Let's please help each other to approach this ideal.

Translation:
Deutschem und internationalem Gesetz entsprechend, distanziert 
sich Fridemar Pache von allen illegalen Aktivitäten und
solchen, die nicht Verträglichkeit in ihm, 
zwischen Menschen, Rassen, Nationen, Umwelt, Technik und sonstigen Entitäten 
entsprechen.
Lasst uns bitte einander helfen, uns diesem Ideal zu nähern.

= TwitteR = RT@fridemar #SocialDomaining #WikiNomics #SideWiki #SideWikiFriendly #GoogleSideWiki #AboutUs #Meatball #Conversation #Whuffie #Whf invites to BuildTalk, gives and wants RT=Retweets, preferably on the above hashTags.

= SideWiki =

FreeGainSharing]

= Blog =

[Amplify Homepage]

[2010/05/06/GoogleSideWiki:PayPerViewAccount]

[2010/05/02/etherpadwiki-the-ultimate-opensource-collaboration-software]

[2010/03/08/2pen-aboutus-wiki-page]

[2009/12/28/wikipedia-a-staypoor-community/AdsenseIncomeForAuthorsOfWikiPedia]

[2009/11/11/amplify-integrates-with-googlesidewiki-and-shiftspace]

[2009/11/11/New Amplify Bookmarklet for all standard Browsers]

[2009/06/28/ AmplifyCmappersCommunityInitiative]

[2009/04/14/ Going Public in Aboutus.org]

[2009/04/13/ PaypalStorefrontWiki]

[2009/04/08/ Green Light for Collaboration (user-driven WikiNomics)]

[2009/04/08/ Overcoming Limits of Language]

[2009/04/04/ AmpliFy:AuthorCreditEssentialForWikiNomics]

[2009/03/31/ TimeStamps for Wikis without]

[2009/03/30/ WikiNomics in Action]

[2009/03/28/ Social Marketing not social enough]

[2009/03/27/ WikiNomics on Clipmarks]

= Annotations =

[fridemar's Diigo Annotations]

= WikiMail =

Stacking our messages from now on on top, (marked by ".."), 
in Conversation Mode, helps saving time in reading and writing, thank you:

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FridemarPache: Helmut, thank you for the observation and asking the question. No, I am wether a member nor affiliated with it. Besides that, I have no control over Google adsense advertising or any advertising on AboutusOrg. AboutusOrg is the wiki, where WardCunningham has responsibility as CTO and for which LionKimbro has given an excellent testimonial on NathanielThurston, due to Lion's personal contacts with the chief crew. However I am open to friendly and constructive, public conversation with all people, respecting law and good manners.

HelmutLeitner: Fridemar, do you have connections to Scientology? (a number of you aboutus pages, even your homepage there are heavily advertized by scientology.org)

FridemarPache: Thank you Juanma, for your input, giving us each other the symmetrical opportunity to FosterEachOther. So nothing needs to remain "hidden"; each friendly question helps in the same way to amplify the light as each friendly answer.

JuanmaMP: Fridemar, Thank you, in regard to polishing my English text. Sorry for this limitation. It also happens that the information and knowledge distilled here, sometimes is intricate and full of nuances for me (more in English). So, much of Meatball remains "hidden" to me. Thank you.

FridemarPache: Nathaniel, thank you for the hint. I have registered under http://friendfeed.com/fridemar and subscribed to your comments. It becomes less and less possible to keep up with the growing friendslists. I think the future will bring AIs, who are constantly watching what you are doing and act and sense for you in zillions of channels. If asking something the GlobalBrain (a community of friends) you get rather precise answers, just like http://WolframAlpha.com .

NathanielThurston: Fridemar, I noticed your interest in contributing to the friendly global brain in your domain-based real name on AboutUs. In that context, I would recommend starting to use FriendFeed: It is a place full of dynamic energy; I'm expecting it to be one of the places where the friendly GlobalBrain will be emerging; and I would expect you to connect with like-minded people there; and finally, I see it as a place for you to connect with like-minded individuals. You can look at [the discussions in which I've commented] for a taste of what it's like.

FridemarPache: Raffi, if you feel fine with talk pages and you want to contribute to a special page, say SpecialPage, then you have the additional option to open a page SpecialPageTalk, where you can start Meta Communication.

RaffiKojian: Hello Fridemar, and thanks for the welcome! I'm still learning on this site. So much interesting information! I'm also learning how to use the site, as I'm a little uncertain of where to make specific comments, ask questions, make contributions... I'm used to the mediawiki talk pages. Will continue poking around and trying to jump into conversation.

FridemarPache: Thank you Markus.

MarkusLude: I changed the redirects.

FridemarPache :-): Hello Markus, thank you for notifying the error. It wasn't meant to optimize the Eigenvalue Process of the Google Engine.

MarkusLude: Hello Fridemar, you added a redirect on WikiHomepage to the same page. It might be better to redirect to WikiHomePage or what do you intend with your change?

above this line starts the new format of Wiki mails

Aaron, to balance our feelings and guesses out, I suggest to debate the complex at [debategraphOrg: WikiNomics], because this appears to be a great tool to amplify the Google:WisdomOfCrowds. All interested peers here and beyond are invited. -- FridemarPache

Hello Fridemar, I think it's a good idea to have these transactions open. And not only open but also collated and easily understood. It's part of what we need for the financial merging. To choose a financial instrument we need to reach some kind of central agreement on what form we like (and can get). So far corporate sounds good from my point of view if it is possible.

I am uncomfortable with SocialDomaining. I guess I find it hard to see as a profitable business and I'm not sure where I would fit in such a business either. I do see your point on it as a kind of lubricant to OpenBusiness and it's certainly a global business. -- AaronPoeze

Hans, Nathaniel, Aaron, I've started to list all transactions (year 2009) , relating to SocialDomaining as a public Google spreadsheet [FridemarsPublicTransactions2009]. These are derived from my Paypal account. Could you (or any wikizen here) recommend/facilitate a bank connection to establish a pilot account, which offers a Public Mode Account View realized as PayPerView. This might be a way to bring down the transaction costs to zero. This transparent FreeFundsTransfer is an essential prelude for the planned PennyBank.Biz, targeted at the 200 million OLPC kids. -- Fridemar

Older chronological part, moving from time to time to FridemarPacheMailArchive.

Fridemar...

It has been my experience as well that a team of collaborators can indeed be remarkably productive within a wiki environment. I suspect, however, this is more attributable to the Team approach, as opposed to the wiki technology itself. It is, after all, the same increased productivity that is observed from other collaborative technologies such as Delphi conference systems, for example.

My reference to OddMuse should have been to the Oddmuse WikiEngine. While we are now running some relatively large and active sites based on this engine, they are all 90% password protected since they contain both tactical and strategic information related to various collaborative Business activities, the majority of which are governed by Non Disclosure Agreements. I do intend to create a Public section in each of these sites in which it will be possible to share content that is not specifically considered to be Private, but I doubt that will start emerging until early in 2009.

-- HansWobbe

Fridemar, I have to say that collaborating with you like a HoofSmith is a definite pleasure. Regarding financial transfers, I have an issue -- the bank transfer system is insecure, and as a consequence it's not safe to publish account information (whether directly or by posting an image of a cheque) See http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/news08.html -- NathanielThurston

Nathaniel, thank you for the interesting links. Indeed, a CertifiedIdentity of both parties for electronic money-transaction, with additional transparency, could be a great help for the transaction partners and the bank. Do you or anyone here know a bank to start a public pilot project? I am ready to start such an open account, sharing work, risks and opportunities of a pioneer with transaction partners and the bank.

Donald Knuth introduces indeed such an open PennyAccount (Google:OpenAccount , Google:PennyAccount must search) and demonstrates hereby, that the synergistic side effects are much more valuable than the pennies. He gets nearly unpaid work for reputation and saves taxes, thus fostering a StayPoor Community paradigm. ExtremeOpenBusiness creates (information-) goods and services, reputation AND real money flow, making happy all transaction partners, the bank AND the tax authorities. We owe to him the inspiration for Google:LiteraryDomainMarketing.

The best bank I know is my bank here in Iceland: [SPRON] started life as a farmers' collective, and notably they remained solvent while the other country's other three (much larger) banks were nationalized just in time to avoid collapose due to [hedge-fund style speculation]. I hadn't considered approaching them as a possible partner until now. --NathanielThurston

It would be fine, if you could convince the bank to act as the first transparent Google:PennyBank.biz pioneer. You have my trust to act as custodian for the first symbolic Google:FreeFundsTransfer and Google:FreeEscrow agent Google:SPRON. Tell them that this concept is primarily for the targeted 200 million Google:OLPC kids. I am just preparing a community written open letter perhaps via Google:ConnectiPedia to the Google:MelindaGatesFoundation and other world known philantropic organizations to support this project with at least one symbolic penny, what would be immensely valuable due to side effects. This is not a hoax. -- FridemarPache PS.: You might wish to have a look how Google:ExtremeOpenBusiness is now positioned on top of nearly 24 million Google hits http://Aboutus.org/ExtremeOpenBusiness My thanks go to Meatball, Aboutus and all the members involved. Please leave a notice in http://www.aboutus.org/User_talk:MarkDilley (Google:Mark_Dilley) if you are ready. We can also form a founding group of all the friendly and constructive people here and at Aboutus. With your feedback you have already helped a lot. It is amazing: we had no private meeting, nor phone call, nor any opaque business process behind the scenes. This is already ExtremeOpenBusiness in action. Thank you again. PPS.: What do you think about a mascot like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sarahcate/3168943028/ ?

I don't think I would make a good custodian -- we need someone who likes to focus on the details. I also think it's time to return your "Could you please be a little more explicit?" question, as I don't yet have a good understanding of what you have in mind. I think we need a business plan, sketching out a story of how things might proceed, how much time we'll have to spend getting it off the ground, and whom we'll need to convince. I'd suggest that we start work on composing a document explainining the plan, and that a nice milestone could be when others here agree that the plan is self-contained and convincing. -- NathanielThurston

It looks like things are already going together. I have been looking at NathanielThurston's TeaTime project. What do you think of it? He is someone who may be good to collaborate with on ExtremeOpenBusiness. My own postion is more is better at this stage and he is someone with passion and a good mind who might be valuable in at least a BarnRaising context depending on his interest in OpenBusiness directly or indirectly. I also rather like his broader project, the Thing.

Oh as an aside on the mascot I would avoid the penguin. It's going to make people think Linux which is good form an 'open' point of view but not so good for differentiating ourselves. -- AaronPoeze

Nathaniel, Aaron there is so much complexity, even hidden in y/our last messages, that a TeaTime (Google:TeaTime) meeting would be indeed the right thing to move forward with maximal speed. A real TeaTime is a quasi-open interaction space, supporting partially the idea behind OpenBusiness, but a virtual TeaTime with public visibility appears to me really as an appropriate space, probably enhanced by a realtime SkypeCast conversation, or asynchronously via ((video-) annotatable) YouTube- or Blip.tv videos.

Yes, Nathaniel: banks love static business plans, adhering to the old Google:WaterFall model of programming, but adapting to the fast moving demands of even nontransparent markets demands or specifications, I think ExtremeOpenBusiness strategies, inspired by Google:ExtremeProgramming may catch up better.

Aaron, yes: binding PennyBank.biz solely to the Linux Penguin would be a disadvantage for spreading the idea. What do you think of some deviant artist, who makes a Pennybank Penguin, waving the Microsoft embleme :-). Or a Penguin with a Google banner plus Microsoft, titled: "The triumvirat, that will serve the planet" :-). But before that, we have to enter the public dialogue with those giants. More in TeaTime, which enables creativity, as I experienced myself in my earlier university-times... -- FridemarPache

As always Fridemar you run the tangent and give rise to valuable creative thinking... and not answer the question directly but indirectly. My engineering mind wants to have a tantrum but the rest of me knows how it is.

I agree a meeting closer to the nowspace soon is a good idea. K.I.S.S. as Nathaniel uses applies here. I think it would be wise to start with simple text chat in IRC or instant messaging (Jabber, MSN whatever) form. We need to record this and put it up somewhere maybe raw form as file and refactored in wiki. We could add video and sound in time (may need to research how) but I think immediately of accent. Iceland, Germany and Australia it may be a good comedy for Youtube. Still we will need to adjust to these things one way or the other. I have not used Skype yet actually but use Vent often.

So we need a time. And here we face an aspect of OpenBusiness and business in general internationally. Which standard and what times to suit?

Bank's reasoning is a wide issue I understand why they do it but often smaller business does better precisely because it's not as organised. There is a sweet point of organisation where things improve to a point then more simply adds red tape to tie up participants to useless work, prevention of progress and dismotivation. I think ExtremeProgramming is much closer to that sweet point.

I think your new mascot idea is even worse and starting to look like Frankenpenguin but I like the idea of showing collaboration and a marriage of open and commercial concepts.

I feel like I may have missed something. My university had no TeaTime of work collaboration. Now I think of it some were attempting to install this literally as a tea break. Now I understand and appreciate the effort. Pity it didn't work.

-- AaronPoeze

Aaron, I am happy to see your protest against a Frankenpenguin like logo :-) Exchanging our views is part of the overall optimization process. Which vent do you refer to? For best synchronization and finding additional collaboration partners I started ClipMarks. I urgently need a payment solution, that puts the initially given one hundred dollars of CEO RayKing into the appropriate public light. -- FridemarPache

ahh vent is [Ventrilo], basically a VOIP many game players use to communicate with. Yes I can see the need for the financial transaction to be publically open without the access details. I was thinking perhaps a charity already does this since some of the better ones practice openbooks. Otherwise we may need to work with a bank which sounds like a formidable task.

If forced to we could emulate it by printing statements although this leaves things to trust in a custodian until we can find a better way.

update; I just talked ot a mate who has worked with banks and he says its quite easily possible via a query only kind of view if we have a corporate account which allows various control and access levels to corporate participants. Each bank does things a bit differently but the central thing seems to be us needing a corporate type account. -- AaronPoeze

-- AaronPoeze

Aaron, could you organize such a corporate account, paid by PR-sharing? On the other hand, there is possibly an OpenSource solution via http://www.aboutus.org/3DN_accounting -- FridemarPache

Fridemar, I like the OpenSource route, but I think it can be simple at first, e.g.,

Joe owes Mary 2.5 hours of his time, recorded in a special section of Joe's namepage.

There's a big question of the currency in which debts are recorded. I favor individual time -- it's stable, and emphasizes any inequalities which creep in. -- NathanielThurston Hey Nathaniel, on to .. IndividualTimeAsCurrency :-) -- FridemarPache

Fridemar, an old friend of mine alerted me that the company he runs is providing micro-transactions, and I think they might fit your penny-bank scheme. Interested? [here's the google query]. I've already asked him, and he'd like an introduction. -- NathanielThurston

Nathaniel, thank you. This is great. Currently I am exploring his context and working out mine to find an optimal way to get in contact with him. -- FridemarPache

Fridemar, I'd be happy to act as interpreter and/or message bearer, if that would help. -- NathanielThurston

Nathaniel, I guess that would help a lot and would be another sample for sharing happiness. Besides that I would like to share http://aboutus.org/transparency and act due to principles of ExtremeOpenBusiness in a friendly and constructive way. -- fp

Fridemar, I thought so. My discussion thus far with him has been on Facebook; perhaps you'd like to befriend me there so that you two can talk directly. -- njt

Nathaniel, done. -- fp

Gentlemen,

  • If you are at all thinking of using Corporate Bank Accounts, I suggest you also consider Corporate Credit Cards. I have been providing various associates with Corporate Credit cards for quite some time and find them much easier to acquire, use and control than a bank account.
  • Personally, I have come to the conclusion that a "CreditUnion" is the next logical step in providing a group of associates with access to shared financial services, at least in North America.
  • Ultimately, this could grow to become either Bank or a Trust company depending on the local "national governance" considerations that apply and the resources and geographic scope of the members.
    • This conclusion is (of course) subject to change, as the current "CreditCrisis" evolves and various political solutions are implemented. These political changes are, however, unlikely to be too traumatic since the Political forces that can be brought to bear by politicians and their lawmakers are unlikely to evolve as quickly as the Economic, Social and Technical forces that are pushing us into adopting "electronic" currencies and "wallets".

-- HansWobbe

Hans, I'd like to say that here in Iceland the law seems extremely fluid. I'd almost venture to say that we're going to be rewriting our entire collection of laws sometime this year, and that until it's a really bad idea to behave with less than impeccable ethics. -- NathanielThurston

For easier turnaround, from now on let's please stack all our messages on top ( marked by "..")

= Intro =

let's help each other within wikis and beyond to play, experiment, dream, learn, discuss, collaborate, make friends, earn money and get enlightenment :-)

Background: ==

Mathematics, Computerscience. Programmed in C++, VB, Assembler, Forth. Classical music education (piano), later Blues/Jazz practise in small groups.

Goal

DomainBasedRealName

[FridemarPache]

Community Award

http
//sunir.org/meatball/BarnStar/barnstar.gif : July 6, 2007. Given to you for your courageous quest in search for social and technical innovations. -- HelmutLeitner

Helmut, thank you for the additional motivation energy. I appreciate this act, your work, your collaboration and moreover that of all peers in MeatballWiki and beyond. -- FridemarPache

http
//sunir.org/meatball/BarnStar/barnstar.gif : August 20, 2009. For continuing to explore the edges of net.collaboration here on Meatball, particularly exemplified by SocialDomaining and its related ideas. -- SunirShah

Sunir, thank you for this additional energy, helping to explore and hopefully to realize this vision in a friendly and constructive community. -- FridemarPache

http
//sunir.org/meatball/BarnStar/barnstar.gif : May 5, 2010. For your stalwart efforts to preserve the beauty and simplicity of our preferred prickly hedge of UseRealNames by consistently using NonViolentCommunication with newcomers and identifying would-be anonymous vandals. -- NathanielThurston

Nathaniel, thank you for showing appreciation of and nuturing the above mentioned values. The thank you extends to all the friendly and constructive people, with whom he shares the work. I thank you too for giving me the opportunity to apply the principle to your last Zen-like provocation :-)

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